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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://imprompt.us/2005/learning/comment-page-1/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yeah right sure yep uhuh okay sounds good yep sure okay yes great! huh? oh, right. of course. absolutely. um, sure. okay. maybe. right. yes. definitely.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah right sure yep uhuh okay sounds good yep sure okay yes great! huh? oh, right. of course. absolutely. um, sure. okay. maybe. right. yes. definitely.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://imprompt.us/2005/learning/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Have you ever read the socratic dialogues?  They read exactly the same.  Thank you for being a sounding board for my wacky ideas, and I hope that my cut-and-paste job can be forgiven for not portraying your side of the conversation as fully as you deserved, and you&#039;ll not be pissed at me for too long for postting it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever read the socratic dialogues?  They read exactly the same.  Thank you for being a sounding board for my wacky ideas, and I hope that my cut-and-paste job can be forgiven for not portraying your side of the conversation as fully as you deserved, and you&#8217;ll not be pissed at me for too long for postting it.</p>
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		<title>By: misuba</title>
		<link>http://imprompt.us/2005/learning/comment-page-1/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>misuba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Biggest problems here that I see are:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; 1) tying into existing college computer systems isn&#039;t possible in an externally-hosted app, and everyone from admins down to profs and students will not feel great about registering in some other system when Blackboard didn&#039;t make them do so. Initial signup is probably the single biggest barrier to entry in systems like these. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2) University IT people are perhaps the most resistant to change of anyone in IT. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But I would really, really love to find a way to take Blackboard down a notch. Nobody deserves bad software, but education deserves it least of all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biggest problems here that I see are:</p>
<p> 1) tying into existing college computer systems isn&#8217;t possible in an externally-hosted app, and everyone from admins down to profs and students will not feel great about registering in some other system when Blackboard didn&#8217;t make them do so. Initial signup is probably the single biggest barrier to entry in systems like these. </p>
<p>2) University IT people are perhaps the most resistant to change of anyone in IT. </p>
<p>But I would really, really love to find a way to take Blackboard down a notch. Nobody deserves bad software, but education deserves it least of all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://imprompt.us/2005/learning/comment-page-1/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;it&#039;s fine, i&#039;ve just been accused of having all of my conversations this way&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s fine, i&#8217;ve just been accused of having all of my conversations this way</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://imprompt.us/2005/learning/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;1) But nobody cares about tying into existing college computer systems.  If your website can export a .xls, basically every grade submission system supports uploading of Excel spreadsheets full of grades.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But I do agree that initial signup needs to be trivial.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;2) This is an end-run around university IT people.  They aren&#039;t involved at any step until there is a groundswell demanding that they interfacce their systems to yours.  That won&#039;t happen for a while, though.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You host the software, have good privacy policies, and they don&#039;t maintain diddly squat.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) But nobody cares about tying into existing college computer systems.  If your website can export a .xls, basically every grade submission system supports uploading of Excel spreadsheets full of grades.</p>
<p>But I do agree that initial signup needs to be trivial.</p>
<p>2) This is an end-run around university IT people.  They aren&#8217;t involved at any step until there is a groundswell demanding that they interfacce their systems to yours.  That won&#8217;t happen for a while, though.</p>
<p>You host the software, have good privacy policies, and they don&#8217;t maintain diddly squat.</p>
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		<title>By: ouroboros</title>
		<link>http://imprompt.us/2005/learning/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>ouroboros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phaedo: Yes, Socrates, your ideas are intriguing to me and I&#039;d like to subscribe to your newsletter.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Socrates: Plato, we have another subscriber! Remember, I owe a cock to Asclepius.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phaedo: Yes, Socrates, your ideas are intriguing to me and I&#8217;d like to subscribe to your newsletter.</p>
<p>Socrates: Plato, we have another subscriber! Remember, I owe a cock to Asclepius.</p>
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		<title>By: Algeh</title>
		<link>http://imprompt.us/2005/learning/comment-page-1/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Algeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What about FERPA issues? The main reason I&#039;d tend to use blackboard (typo&#039;ed as lackboard, which is amusingly apt) rather than another system is that since blackboard is what my (presumed) school uses, I can assume my ass is covered and that it meets all of the requirements for the law. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also, you might want to consider the k-12 market as well. Many k-12 schools also use  blackboard currently (Lane ESD provides it for all schools in Lane county, for example).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about FERPA issues? The main reason I&#8217;d tend to use blackboard (typo&#8217;ed as lackboard, which is amusingly apt) rather than another system is that since blackboard is what my (presumed) school uses, I can assume my ass is covered and that it meets all of the requirements for the law. </p>
<p>Also, you might want to consider the k-12 market as well. Many k-12 schools also use  blackboard currently (Lane ESD provides it for all schools in Lane county, for example).</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://imprompt.us/2005/learning/comment-page-1/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FERPA seems like a non-issue for this stuff.  It looks like it applies to a student&#039;s permanent record.  And it&#039;s not clear that what I described above counts as that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Once minors are involved, however, eveything gets hellishly dangerous from a legal perspective.  K-12 is a lot more risky, because all the parents have the right to see what the kid sees.  How do you verify that someone really is a child&#039;s parent?  And not a creepy internet person?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FERPA seems like a non-issue for this stuff.  It looks like it applies to a student&#8217;s permanent record.  And it&#8217;s not clear that what I described above counts as that.</p>
<p>Once minors are involved, however, eveything gets hellishly dangerous from a legal perspective.  K-12 is a lot more risky, because all the parents have the right to see what the kid sees.  How do you verify that someone really is a child&#8217;s parent?  And not a creepy internet person?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://imprompt.us/2005/learning/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is all related to the happy user curve - Blackboard isfirmly in the &#039;I suck&#039; camp http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2005/06/featuritis_vs_t.html&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all related to the happy user curve &#8211; Blackboard isfirmly in the &#8216;I suck&#8217; camp <a href="http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2005/06/featuritis_vs_t.html" rel="nofollow">http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2005/06/featuritis_vs_t.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://imprompt.us/2005/learning/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stupid patents.  Blackboard is aggressively pursuing its overly broad patent on course management software.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33396&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid patents.  Blackboard is aggressively pursuing its overly broad patent on course management software.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33396" rel="nofollow">http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33396</a></p>
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