Another Socratic Dialogue in the form of an IM cut-and-paste:
- Peter
- New internet startup idea – build AND HOST (all caps == the new part) an e-learning tool that sucks less than Blackboard
- Jesse
- sounds good
- Peter
- Everyone I know hates Blackboard
- Peter
- And there’s a very natural revenue model if you are hosting it yourself
- Peter
- You are, however, kind of trying to squeeze blood from a stone by marketing it to schools and colleges
- Peter
- http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/40288e0a86faf
- Jesse
- hrm
- Peter
- It seems like a market that has specific needs that aren’t getting met, and all the existing tools totally suck. We need some sort of wiki-like (or e2-like) functionality, with some blogstuff for class new and identity guarantees and some store-like features.
- Peter
- Lots of pieces that exists in disparate locations.
- Peter
- Most important of all, it needs to be easy to use and highly configurable
- Peter
- Everyone who has ever given a bad review of blackboard gets told that they are ‘using it wrong’ or ‘should learn how to use it’ – signs that it sucks at the admin end as well as the user end
- Jesse
- highly configurable but yet works right in the first place
- Peter
- Right
- Peter
- Good defaults are 99% of the battle
- Peter
- Also, easy to set up intially.
- Peter
- Teachers are starting to use http://schtuff.com (Josh’s thing) to host their materials, but it’s a octagonal peg in a round hole – better than a square peg (listservs) and better than a banana (blackboard), but not enough that people actually WANT to use it.
- Jesse
- i having trouble visualizing how the situation can be improved other than more access to fundamental parts (wiki, blog, etc)
- Peter
- Ease of administration, and actual user feedback.
- Peter
- If you can actually watch students signing up and clicking through the website, then you can find out where they stop clicking, and try and eliminate those parts. If people read to the end of a thread and then stop, then eliminate either threading, or reading only one thread on a page
- Jesse
- that would be helpful
- Peter
- If people look at the discussions but don’t take part, put the ‘leave a a comment’ form on the bottom of the discussion page
- Peter
- Right now, blackboard is this horrible application that is trying to be class news site, a newsgroup, a discussion board, a review site, and a listserv all at once.
- Peter
- It does none of these things well. A successful competitor only needs to do two of those things well to get off the ground
- Peter
- Which two is up to the competitor
- Peter
- Basically, if you put professionals in charge of usability,and give them constant feedback, then you’ll quickly get something that people like to use and doesn’t suck – see every successful web app for example
- Jesse
- right
- Peter
- So just slam something up that teachers can use, make sure you don’t claim ownership of the content that people create, and then make it better over time
- Jesse
- sounds easy
- Peter
- Then, blackboard goes away (THANK GOD) and you get to not have a boss
- Peter
- It’s easy to talk about – it’s just a hell of a lot of work.
- Peter
- Lots of coding, late nights, and system administration, and log analysis
- Peter
- But heck – I can guarantee that you’ll get at least a few people trying it out in their classes, and academia is a very small world. If your thing is better than blackboard, and they don’t have to talk to any of their local bureaucracy to use it, then people will flock to it
- Jesse
- is there a profit model?
- Peter
- Eliminate the teachers’ need to deal with their local nerds by hosting it yourself, and eliminate their need to deal with their local bureaucracy by letting them run the first semester for free.
- Peter
- If they like it after that, then they’ll be willing to deal with the money assholes. But nobody is going to deal with the money assholes to test out a product
- Peter
- I propose charging a per-course fee. As long as that fee is being paid, then the website is alive – people can add comments and change content. Once they stop paying, the course website goes dead.
- Peter
- It’s still visible, but cannot be edited in any way
- Peter
- Or maybe a per-month fee
- Peter
- Anyhow, subscription and web businesses go together really well
- Peter
- So give away samples and never charge for a limited version of the functionality, but do charge for bonus features. Kind of like flickr and basecamp do.
- Jesse
- sure
- Peter
- If you can get people to use the site, then a minority will be willing to pay for upgraded features.
- Peter
- Just make sure that the base site is good enough to attract a lot of people, and then the law of large numbers will take over the rest.
- Peter
- Note that these don’t have to be a lot of people all interested in the same thing. All the buzzword compliant people are talking about the economics of the long tail, and this is fully compliant with their ideas. You will be making software for groups of 30ish people to use.
- Jesse
- right
- Peter
- Another key feature that Blackboard lacks is that it assumes teachers want to teach, and want to do e-learning a lot. Teachers often enjoy teaching, but want to do it quickly and painlessly so they can get back to their research. Make the interface as simple as possible.
- Jesse
- right
- Peter
- Well, there you go. You too can be bought by Yahoo and become learn.yahoo.com
- Peter
- sort of a educational analogue to stores.yahoo.com
- Jesse
- it makes good sense
- Peter
- If you build it, I’ll use it









